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	<title>Comments on: Why scientists should join the metrication campaign</title>
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	<description>Commentary on the measurement muddle in the UK</description>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/why-scientists-should-join-the-metrication-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-20604</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Channel 4 broadcast five programmes entitled &quot;Genius of Britain&quot; on successive evenings this week, 30 May to 3 June. The London Evening Standard summed up the series, &quot;Well meaning stuff but a trifle simple-minded&quot;.  Having seen all five, I tend to agree.

The programmes used &#039;celebrity&#039; scientists and an inventor to introduce brief stories about the subjects - five or six British scientists and engineers from each of the past four centuries. And each celebrity did his or her own thing on units. Richard Dawkins used mostly metric, James Dyson mostly imperial, others here or there. Why?

At the end of the last programme, a voice-over from a celebrity physicist told us &quot;You don&#039;t have to be the cleverest kid in class or go to a posh school to become a great scientist&quot;. So clearly an aim of the series was to attract young people into science. So why not use the same units that kids associate with science?

Perhaps no thought had been given to this, either by the producer or the presenters. Or perhaps the presenters thought that using a mixture of units would demonstrate science was linked to the world outside learning and work. Or perhaps it is scientific elitism: &quot;Up here, we scientists use metric, but down there the rest of you know your place and use imperial&quot;.

Personally, I feel the use of a muddle of units may have been counter-productive. The presenters included Sir David Attenborough, Prof. Stephen Hawking and Lord Robert Winston. Had they all used the measurement units that are used at school, then their example might have persuaded kids and parents that the science taught at school is the same science that had brought them fame and fortune, and might accordingly be a worthy career choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Channel 4 broadcast five programmes entitled &#8220;Genius of Britain&#8221; on successive evenings this week, 30 May to 3 June. The London Evening Standard summed up the series, &#8220;Well meaning stuff but a trifle simple-minded&#8221;.  Having seen all five, I tend to agree.</p>
<p>The programmes used &#8216;celebrity&#8217; scientists and an inventor to introduce brief stories about the subjects &#8211; five or six British scientists and engineers from each of the past four centuries. And each celebrity did his or her own thing on units. Richard Dawkins used mostly metric, James Dyson mostly imperial, others here or there. Why?</p>
<p>At the end of the last programme, a voice-over from a celebrity physicist told us &#8220;You don&#8217;t have to be the cleverest kid in class or go to a posh school to become a great scientist&#8221;. So clearly an aim of the series was to attract young people into science. So why not use the same units that kids associate with science?</p>
<p>Perhaps no thought had been given to this, either by the producer or the presenters. Or perhaps the presenters thought that using a mixture of units would demonstrate science was linked to the world outside learning and work. Or perhaps it is scientific elitism: &#8220;Up here, we scientists use metric, but down there the rest of you know your place and use imperial&#8221;.</p>
<p>Personally, I feel the use of a muddle of units may have been counter-productive. The presenters included Sir David Attenborough, Prof. Stephen Hawking and Lord Robert Winston. Had they all used the measurement units that are used at school, then their example might have persuaded kids and parents that the science taught at school is the same science that had brought them fame and fortune, and might accordingly be a worthy career choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Oakley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often the key is to identify alternate methods of indicating natural size, rather than having to keep harking back to &quot;customary&quot; units. 

In this line, I would hope that the TV weather casters would say show a finger width for ~10mm, rather than saying &quot;that&#039;s just under half an inch&quot;. 

If people in the know are to stop using &#039;customary&#039; units then they must have such an alternative!

Obviously .... the real metric value must be given first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often the key is to identify alternate methods of indicating natural size, rather than having to keep harking back to &#8220;customary&#8221; units. </p>
<p>In this line, I would hope that the TV weather casters would say show a finger width for ~10mm, rather than saying &#8220;that&#8217;s just under half an inch&#8221;. </p>
<p>If people in the know are to stop using &#8216;customary&#8217; units then they must have such an alternative!</p>
<p>Obviously &#8230;. the real metric value must be given first.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Naughtin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Naughtin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes wonder whether an &#039;SI Audit&#039; might be effective. This could take several forms.

1 In a large university or laboratory a single department might be audited by another department (randomly selected) each year. This way each department becomes the examined and the examinee with obvious opportunities for pleasure, and improvement, from both sides.

2 Senior laboratories could invite SI Auditors&#039; from (say) NPL in the UK or NIST in the USA.

3 Even more senior laboratories (say a Physics laboratory at Oxford) might invite another Physics laboratory which they regard as inferior but almost equivalent (say a Physics laboratory at Cambridge) to be their &#039;SI Auditor&quot;.

4 Someone, say NPL, could appoint teams of Si expert auditors to attend all and every (as many as possible anyway) scientific, engineering, marketing, and sales conferences from primary school science displays to learned societies to monitor and comment on SI usage.

I suspect that the inventor of the metric system, Bishop John Wilkins, would thoroughly enjoy this sort of intellectual conflicts.

Cheers,

P.S. Perhaps this suggestion comes from my Australian background where we have an entire political party, called The Democrats, who have the publicly stated aim &#039;Of keeping the bast_ards honest&#039;.

P.P.S. A suitable date to begin your SI audit might be the date that can take the form 10-10-10.

Cheers and best wishes,

Pat Naughtin
http://www.metricationmatters.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes wonder whether an &#8216;SI Audit&#8217; might be effective. This could take several forms.</p>
<p>1 In a large university or laboratory a single department might be audited by another department (randomly selected) each year. This way each department becomes the examined and the examinee with obvious opportunities for pleasure, and improvement, from both sides.</p>
<p>2 Senior laboratories could invite SI Auditors&#8217; from (say) NPL in the UK or NIST in the USA.</p>
<p>3 Even more senior laboratories (say a Physics laboratory at Oxford) might invite another Physics laboratory which they regard as inferior but almost equivalent (say a Physics laboratory at Cambridge) to be their &#8216;SI Auditor&#8221;.</p>
<p>4 Someone, say NPL, could appoint teams of Si expert auditors to attend all and every (as many as possible anyway) scientific, engineering, marketing, and sales conferences from primary school science displays to learned societies to monitor and comment on SI usage.</p>
<p>I suspect that the inventor of the metric system, Bishop John Wilkins, would thoroughly enjoy this sort of intellectual conflicts.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>P.S. Perhaps this suggestion comes from my Australian background where we have an entire political party, called The Democrats, who have the publicly stated aim &#8216;Of keeping the bast_ards honest&#8217;.</p>
<p>P.P.S. A suitable date to begin your SI audit might be the date that can take the form 10-10-10.</p>
<p>Cheers and best wishes,</p>
<p>Pat Naughtin<br />
<a href="http://www.metricationmatters.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.metricationmatters.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Philh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is not suggesting that the measurement muddle is the only factor giving rise to a poor understanding of science but it manifestly puts people at a disadvantage.

Scientists should at least acknowledge this and be prepared to speak up for the common sense of a compatible single system in wider society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is not suggesting that the measurement muddle is the only factor giving rise to a poor understanding of science but it manifestly puts people at a disadvantage.</p>
<p>Scientists should at least acknowledge this and be prepared to speak up for the common sense of a compatible single system in wider society.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Vlietstra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Vlietstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What scientists and engineers can do is draw attention to problems that are caused by a dual system of units.  One recent example is the government giving notice that it planned to introduce dual units on height and width warning signs on British roads.  This was as a result of an abnormally high proportion of foreign lorry drivers being involved in bridge-strikes.  Yet, in response to the EU’s consultation on the recent updates to the Units of Measure Directive, the British Government said that they were unaware of any problems.  This either means that the problem has arisen very suddenly or that the Government had not bothered to look lest they find an uncomfortable truth.

The upshot is that scientists and engineers should look at small things that cause problems and should ask questions about those.  The government might well brush them aside, but behind the scenes they will investigate.  Once such example was a question that I asked my MP about using mobile phones to call the emergency services to incidents on motorways.  I had a typical piece of civil service b******t in response, but within a year or two pilot studies showed that driver location signs were a good idea and they are now on all of our motorways (and no doubt the government will claim all the credit).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What scientists and engineers can do is draw attention to problems that are caused by a dual system of units.  One recent example is the government giving notice that it planned to introduce dual units on height and width warning signs on British roads.  This was as a result of an abnormally high proportion of foreign lorry drivers being involved in bridge-strikes.  Yet, in response to the EU’s consultation on the recent updates to the Units of Measure Directive, the British Government said that they were unaware of any problems.  This either means that the problem has arisen very suddenly or that the Government had not bothered to look lest they find an uncomfortable truth.</p>
<p>The upshot is that scientists and engineers should look at small things that cause problems and should ask questions about those.  The government might well brush them aside, but behind the scenes they will investigate.  Once such example was a question that I asked my MP about using mobile phones to call the emergency services to incidents on motorways.  I had a typical piece of civil service b******t in response, but within a year or two pilot studies showed that driver location signs were a good idea and they are now on all of our motorways (and no doubt the government will claim all the credit).</p>
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