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	<title>Comments on: Tory spokesman supports centilitres of alcohol</title>
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		<title>By: philh</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20108</link>
		<dc:creator>philh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does matter that a centilitre of alcohol is needlessly disguised as &quot;unit&quot;. Hiding metric units like this acts as a barrier to people learning to use the metric system and appreciating its advantages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does matter that a centilitre of alcohol is needlessly disguised as &#8220;unit&#8221;. Hiding metric units like this acts as a barrier to people learning to use the metric system and appreciating its advantages.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20107</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just amazed that a potential Tory policy has even dared to mention a metric measurement at all! My local Tory MP (one David Cameron) wrote a letter to me stating that he was a supporter of &quot;whichever units the British People favoured based on their history and traditions&quot; while acknowledging that further metrication was dependent on &quot;consensus of the public and business&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just amazed that a potential Tory policy has even dared to mention a metric measurement at all! My local Tory MP (one David Cameron) wrote a letter to me stating that he was a supporter of &#8220;whichever units the British People favoured based on their history and traditions&#8221; while acknowledging that further metrication was dependent on &#8220;consensus of the public and business&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20103</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as we would like it if they used the metric terms instead of hiding from them behind words like &quot;units&quot;, we can at least be grateful that the unit of alcohol was made to equal a rounded metric amount.  

It could have been decided that a unit was equal to an ounce or something else in imperial.  

The problem isn&#039;t with the name, it is with the products that don&#039;t come in rounded metric sizes.  For example, one can calculate that a &quot;pint&quot; of beer contains 56.8 &quot;units&quot; of beer.  Now if the alcohol content was 5 %, the difficulty in estimating the amount of alcohol becomes difficult so no one bothers to figure it out.  A quick estimate would be that 10 % would yield 5.68 units of alcohol, so 5 % would be half of 5.68 or 2.84 units.  

It would be simpler to calculate 5 % of 600 mL and get 3 % or 5 % of 500 mL  and get 2.5 %.  

So, if there is a difficulty, then the solution should be to change the legal amounts of dispensed alcohol to rounded metric sizes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as we would like it if they used the metric terms instead of hiding from them behind words like &#8220;units&#8221;, we can at least be grateful that the unit of alcohol was made to equal a rounded metric amount.  </p>
<p>It could have been decided that a unit was equal to an ounce or something else in imperial.  </p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t with the name, it is with the products that don&#8217;t come in rounded metric sizes.  For example, one can calculate that a &#8220;pint&#8221; of beer contains 56.8 &#8220;units&#8221; of beer.  Now if the alcohol content was 5 %, the difficulty in estimating the amount of alcohol becomes difficult so no one bothers to figure it out.  A quick estimate would be that 10 % would yield 5.68 units of alcohol, so 5 % would be half of 5.68 or 2.84 units.  </p>
<p>It would be simpler to calculate 5 % of 600 mL and get 3 % or 5 % of 500 mL  and get 2.5 %.  </p>
<p>So, if there is a difficulty, then the solution should be to change the legal amounts of dispensed alcohol to rounded metric sizes.</p>
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		<title>By: philh</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20098</link>
		<dc:creator>philh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to my comments earlier, if the labeling was in the form of ml alc per 100 ml drink, it would strengthen the case for rational metric quanities.

E.g. with beer marked as alcohol: 4 ml per 100 ml, it would be effortless for just about anyone to work out that a 500 ml glassful contains 20 ml (or 2 cl if you prefer).

I know this amounts to the same thing but it wouldn&#039;t demand that the consumer understands percentages. Presumably the practice of labelling nutrion information as per 100 g is for the same reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to my comments earlier, if the labeling was in the form of ml alc per 100 ml drink, it would strengthen the case for rational metric quanities.</p>
<p>E.g. with beer marked as alcohol: 4 ml per 100 ml, it would be effortless for just about anyone to work out that a 500 ml glassful contains 20 ml (or 2 cl if you prefer).</p>
<p>I know this amounts to the same thing but it wouldn&#8217;t demand that the consumer understands percentages. Presumably the practice of labelling nutrion information as per 100 g is for the same reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Paice</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20097</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Paice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry that this discussion is tending to divert on to centilitres versus millilitres, rather than sticking to the main point of the article - i.e. scrapping so-called&quot;units&quot; and permitting draught beer in convenient metric quantities.  For the record, both cl and ml are in widespread use in catering and in recipes etc in the UK and more particularly in continental Europe, and despite the theoretical possibility of confusion, I am not aware of a significant problem.  Most people can multiply or divide by 10 and move a decimal point.  So can we please get back to the original subject of the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry that this discussion is tending to divert on to centilitres versus millilitres, rather than sticking to the main point of the article &#8211; i.e. scrapping so-called&#8221;units&#8221; and permitting draught beer in convenient metric quantities.  For the record, both cl and ml are in widespread use in catering and in recipes etc in the UK and more particularly in continental Europe, and despite the theoretical possibility of confusion, I am not aware of a significant problem.  Most people can multiply or divide by 10 and move a decimal point.  So can we please get back to the original subject of the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Naughtin</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20096</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Naughtin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with A who says:

&#039;A 500 mL container with 500 mL beer, with alcohol content of 15 mL/3 % is a bit clearer than 500 mL with 3 cL.&#039;

However, I am quite concerned about the introduction of the metric prefix, centi, into a context where it would be used everyday.

I have studied the progress of metrication attempts all around the world, and in many different industries, where I have observed that the use of the metric system prefix, centi, in the unit centimetre very dramatically delays the success of the metrication process. See http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/centimetresORmillimetres.pdf 

I have not specifically studied the places where centilitre is used, but on the basis of the enormous delays with centimetre I would not recommend its use without considerable study – and even then I would require massive evidence of its speed of adoption and of its non-transference to other industries – centilitres of oil, paint, or vinegar, are examples – before I could recommend its use.

Pat Naughtin
Geelong, Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with A who says:</p>
<p>&#8216;A 500 mL container with 500 mL beer, with alcohol content of 15 mL/3 % is a bit clearer than 500 mL with 3 cL.&#8217;</p>
<p>However, I am quite concerned about the introduction of the metric prefix, centi, into a context where it would be used everyday.</p>
<p>I have studied the progress of metrication attempts all around the world, and in many different industries, where I have observed that the use of the metric system prefix, centi, in the unit centimetre very dramatically delays the success of the metrication process. See <a href="http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/centimetresORmillimetres.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/centimetresORmillimetres.pdf</a> </p>
<p>I have not specifically studied the places where centilitre is used, but on the basis of the enormous delays with centimetre I would not recommend its use without considerable study – and even then I would require massive evidence of its speed of adoption and of its non-transference to other industries – centilitres of oil, paint, or vinegar, are examples – before I could recommend its use.</p>
<p>Pat Naughtin<br />
Geelong, Australia</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Vlietstra</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20094</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Vlietstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The advantage of using centilitres rather than units is that journalists and health professionals will have a better understanding of the alcohol content of drinks and they will find it easiet to tune their message to their audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The advantage of using centilitres rather than units is that journalists and health professionals will have a better understanding of the alcohol content of drinks and they will find it easiet to tune their message to their audience.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20093</link>
		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit the paragraph:

500 mL beer, with alcohol content of 15 mL is a bit clearer than 500 mL with 1.5 cL. Of course its the same amount either way but its muddling up the magnitude of the units. It would make more sense to have 50 cL and 15 mL. No one says 10,000 m give or take 2 km do they? Maybe 10 km give or take 2000 m.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit the paragraph:</p>
<p>500 mL beer, with alcohol content of 15 mL is a bit clearer than 500 mL with 1.5 cL. Of course its the same amount either way but its muddling up the magnitude of the units. It would make more sense to have 50 cL and 15 mL. No one says 10,000 m give or take 2 km do they? Maybe 10 km give or take 2000 m.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20092</link>
		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why use cL and mL on the label though? why not have the alcohol content in mL and the total volume in mL with ABV in %? Does it not make more sense to have a bit of continuity?

A 500 mL container with 500 mL beer, with alcohol content of 15 mL/3 % is a bit clearer than 500 mL with 3 cL. Of course its the same amount either way but its muddling up the magnitude of the units. It would make more sense to have 50 cL and 30 mL. No one says 10,000 m give or take 2 km do they? Maybe 10 km give or take 2000 m.

The average daily alcohol intake is about 4 units? so thats 40 mL and drinks are sold in mL. Drink two 500 mL beers with 15 mL alcohol content and 30 mL of alcohol has been consumed. Easy enough. No ambiguity.

The spokesman should have went one step further and suggested using mL instead and just forget about units altogether. The whole process could be simplified and made clearer. This is probably one of the reasons why people have no clue what units means and how much they are consuming and probably makes them not even care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why use cL and mL on the label though? why not have the alcohol content in mL and the total volume in mL with ABV in %? Does it not make more sense to have a bit of continuity?</p>
<p>A 500 mL container with 500 mL beer, with alcohol content of 15 mL/3 % is a bit clearer than 500 mL with 3 cL. Of course its the same amount either way but its muddling up the magnitude of the units. It would make more sense to have 50 cL and 30 mL. No one says 10,000 m give or take 2 km do they? Maybe 10 km give or take 2000 m.</p>
<p>The average daily alcohol intake is about 4 units? so thats 40 mL and drinks are sold in mL. Drink two 500 mL beers with 15 mL alcohol content and 30 mL of alcohol has been consumed. Easy enough. No ambiguity.</p>
<p>The spokesman should have went one step further and suggested using mL instead and just forget about units altogether. The whole process could be simplified and made clearer. This is probably one of the reasons why people have no clue what units means and how much they are consuming and probably makes them not even care!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom c</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2010/01/tory-spokesman-supports-centilitres-of-alcohol/comment-page-1/#comment-20091</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok understand what you guys are saying but i tech people about safe drinking and as a 22 year old i go out clubben alot, i have talked to alot of people my age and we said it should be put in metric like 275ml botle of glolsch beer = 14ml of alcohol... Units is just a number thats out dated, most people pulled over and get done for drink driving dont understand Units,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok understand what you guys are saying but i tech people about safe drinking and as a 22 year old i go out clubben alot, i have talked to alot of people my age and we said it should be put in metric like 275ml botle of glolsch beer = 14ml of alcohol&#8230; Units is just a number thats out dated, most people pulled over and get done for drink driving dont understand Units,</p>
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