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	<title>Comments on: End Britain&#8217;s Great Imperial Rip-Off</title>
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	<description>Commentary on the measurement muddle in the UK</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/11/end-imperial-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-16899</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there is a huge hidden cost that has not been anywhere near quantified, and that is the time wasted by everyone in doing conversions between the two systems. Many of those conversions are of course done in people&#039;s own time, so are not a true &#039;cost&#039;. But what about the conversions done by people when they are at work? Now some people are doing them on a continuous basis, some people will only do them occasionally, but all of us have to do them now and again.

Just suppose that 20 million people have to do on average 5 conversions a day while they are at work, and that each conversion takes on average 10 seconds (some will take just a second or two, some may take a minute or more, including checking that the answer is correct, but again we are talking averages). At say an average of Â£20 an hour (employer&#039;s cost, including overheads and benefits), that&#039;s a total of Â£5.5 million - EVERY DAY. That&#039;s around Â£1.4 BILLION a year.

What a waste of time, money and resources, all because too many people want to cling to an antiquated measuring sytem for no practical reason. And it&#039;s a cost that cannot be avoided - we live in a 95% metric world, and we live by trading with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there is a huge hidden cost that has not been anywhere near quantified, and that is the time wasted by everyone in doing conversions between the two systems. Many of those conversions are of course done in people&#8217;s own time, so are not a true &#8216;cost&#8217;. But what about the conversions done by people when they are at work? Now some people are doing them on a continuous basis, some people will only do them occasionally, but all of us have to do them now and again.</p>
<p>Just suppose that 20 million people have to do on average 5 conversions a day while they are at work, and that each conversion takes on average 10 seconds (some will take just a second or two, some may take a minute or more, including checking that the answer is correct, but again we are talking averages). At say an average of Â£20 an hour (employer&#8217;s cost, including overheads and benefits), that&#8217;s a total of Â£5.5 million &#8211; EVERY DAY. That&#8217;s around Â£1.4 BILLION a year.</p>
<p>What a waste of time, money and resources, all because too many people want to cling to an antiquated measuring sytem for no practical reason. And it&#8217;s a cost that cannot be avoided &#8211; we live in a 95% metric world, and we live by trading with it.</p>
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		<title>By: philh</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/11/end-imperial-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-16864</link>
		<dc:creator>philh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the change over to decimal currency quite well. I reveal that I am now 58 so readers can place me in historical context.
During the run-up to D-Day (Feb 1971) I was absolutely astonished at the complaints I was hearing from ordinary folk around me. What on earth is the matter with them I thought? Surely the benefits of a currency with 100 p to the pound (like the American system with 100 c to the dollar) has enormous advantages?
I still don&#039;t understand them to this day. I still hear occasionally people claim they never really let go of pounds shillings and pence.
What a sad world I live in in the UK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the change over to decimal currency quite well. I reveal that I am now 58 so readers can place me in historical context.<br />
During the run-up to D-Day (Feb 1971) I was absolutely astonished at the complaints I was hearing from ordinary folk around me. What on earth is the matter with them I thought? Surely the benefits of a currency with 100 p to the pound (like the American system with 100 c to the dollar) has enormous advantages?<br />
I still don&#8217;t understand them to this day. I still hear occasionally people claim they never really let go of pounds shillings and pence.<br />
What a sad world I live in in the UK!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Birkby</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/11/end-imperial-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-16840</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Birkby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember pounds shillings and pence - possibly the last generation to do so as I think it would be very difficult for anyone more than a year or so younger than me. I loved the old coins and have very fond memories of going to the sweet shop to buy goodness knows how many sweets for a penny. 

Nostalgia is comforting and recalling good memories is heart-warming. But that&#039;s where it ends. It would be sheer lunacy to go back to it, and it was the correct decision to decimalise. The same argument prevails for metric. Spending twenty years of my adult life outside the UK taught me the logic of the metric system, and finding a stubborn reluctance amongst the British to embrace it upon my return made the imperial system seem just an annoyance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember pounds shillings and pence &#8211; possibly the last generation to do so as I think it would be very difficult for anyone more than a year or so younger than me. I loved the old coins and have very fond memories of going to the sweet shop to buy goodness knows how many sweets for a penny. </p>
<p>Nostalgia is comforting and recalling good memories is heart-warming. But that&#8217;s where it ends. It would be sheer lunacy to go back to it, and it was the correct decision to decimalise. The same argument prevails for metric. Spending twenty years of my adult life outside the UK taught me the logic of the metric system, and finding a stubborn reluctance amongst the British to embrace it upon my return made the imperial system seem just an annoyance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra Steinberg</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/11/end-imperial-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-16827</link>
		<dc:creator>Ezra Steinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am quite certain that most &quot;normal&quot; Britons understood Lsd currency quite nicely and had no &quot;need&quot; to convert to decimal currency. As I recall, there was a bit of a row from some quarters on this front.

Can Tabitha cite a large segment of today&#039;s British population that would like to scrap decimal currency and revert?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite certain that most &#8220;normal&#8221; Britons understood Lsd currency quite nicely and had no &#8220;need&#8221; to convert to decimal currency. As I recall, there was a bit of a row from some quarters on this front.</p>
<p>Can Tabitha cite a large segment of today&#8217;s British population that would like to scrap decimal currency and revert?</p>
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		<title>By: David Newberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Newberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad I have left the UK and now living in Australia (along with 2 million other British citizens); English speaking and yet one of the most metric countries in the world. UK Gov policy on the metric issue is retarded and unfortunately reflects the Daily Mail/UKIP mindset so many people in Britain have- and one of the reasons why I left! People need to realise, if they get fed up with Britain and want to leave, they had better learn metric, except of course if they want to go to those top emigrant destinations of choice Burma and Liberia and of course the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad I have left the UK and now living in Australia (along with 2 million other British citizens); English speaking and yet one of the most metric countries in the world. UK Gov policy on the metric issue is retarded and unfortunately reflects the Daily Mail/UKIP mindset so many people in Britain have- and one of the reasons why I left! People need to realise, if they get fed up with Britain and want to leave, they had better learn metric, except of course if they want to go to those top emigrant destinations of choice Burma and Liberia and of course the US.</p>
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		<title>By: lee kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would like to appologize for about my comments about why some one who is anti-metric would write on a pro-meric web sight i understand that everyone has a right no matter there opinions to this debate but living where i do having seen metric distance signs in our local nature reserve a few years back when i was young and thought this country was going forward?  only to have them pulled down by some people who wants to stop the metric process in this country without debate? how will this look in 2012 once again im sorry for any offence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like to appologize for about my comments about why some one who is anti-metric would write on a pro-meric web sight i understand that everyone has a right no matter there opinions to this debate but living where i do having seen metric distance signs in our local nature reserve a few years back when i was young and thought this country was going forward?  only to have them pulled down by some people who wants to stop the metric process in this country without debate? how will this look in 2012 once again im sorry for any offence!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Birkby</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/11/end-imperial-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-16765</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Birkby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steady on. We do not know whether Tabitha Jones was using the word &quot;normal&quot; to mean the mathematical definition as &quot;statistically conforming to a norm&quot; or the derived but more usual definition (somewhat pejorative in its implications) as &quot;free from disorder; not abnormal&quot;.

If she means the former definition I am sure she is right as regards most UK residents. However, in the world as a whole, the use of imperial is certainly not normal in any mathematical, or statistical, sense. The question remains unaltered, however, which is whether completing the metric changeover would be beneficial.

If she means the latter definition then there is the implication, as I stated, that those UK residents preferring the metric system are somehow abnormal or disordered, which would constitute, of course, purely a point of view with no logical reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steady on. We do not know whether Tabitha Jones was using the word &#8220;normal&#8221; to mean the mathematical definition as &#8220;statistically conforming to a norm&#8221; or the derived but more usual definition (somewhat pejorative in its implications) as &#8220;free from disorder; not abnormal&#8221;.</p>
<p>If she means the former definition I am sure she is right as regards most UK residents. However, in the world as a whole, the use of imperial is certainly not normal in any mathematical, or statistical, sense. The question remains unaltered, however, which is whether completing the metric changeover would be beneficial.</p>
<p>If she means the latter definition then there is the implication, as I stated, that those UK residents preferring the metric system are somehow abnormal or disordered, which would constitute, of course, purely a point of view with no logical reason.</p>
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		<title>By: lee kelly</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/11/end-imperial-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-16764</link>
		<dc:creator>lee kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry tabitha but according to most polls ( mainly on the web ) a vast majority of people want a change! did you know for excample when british drivers go to the continent or anywhere else in the world! they are usualy pulled over for speeding as soon as they get on the motorways or roads ? i have even heard of people doing 120 mph instead of 120 km/h!  thats why we need change or wait until there are more brits killed on the roads P.S IF YOU ARE SO ANTI-METRIC WHY ARE YOU WRITING TO A PRO METRIC WEB SITE ? IS IT BECAUSE NO ONE IS LISTING &amp; YOU NEED THE ATTENTION?
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Please note that UKMA do not reject reasonable comments from those who oppose&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;metrication. Part of the purpose of this blog is to expose the weakness of the opposition case.&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;Whenever we receive such comments we always endevour answer them in a reasonable manner. We hope that people who are more open minded will judge for themselves and, on balance, see the merits of the case for completing metrication in the UK.
&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry tabitha but according to most polls ( mainly on the web ) a vast majority of people want a change! did you know for excample when british drivers go to the continent or anywhere else in the world! they are usualy pulled over for speeding as soon as they get on the motorways or roads ? i have even heard of people doing 120 mph instead of 120 km/h!  thats why we need change or wait until there are more brits killed on the roads P.S IF YOU ARE SO ANTI-METRIC WHY ARE YOU WRITING TO A PRO METRIC WEB SITE ? IS IT BECAUSE NO ONE IS LISTING &#038; YOU NEED THE ATTENTION?</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Please note that UKMA do not reject reasonable comments from those who oppose</em> <em>metrication. Part of the purpose of this blog is to expose the weakness of the opposition case.</em> <em>Whenever we receive such comments we always endevour answer them in a reasonable manner. We hope that people who are more open minded will judge for themselves and, on balance, see the merits of the case for completing metrication in the UK.<br />
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		<title>By: Martin Vlietstra</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/11/end-imperial-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-16755</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Vlietstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tabitha wrote â€œYou are all forgetting that most normal people understand miles per hour onlyâ€?.  I am perplexed by the statement â€œmost normal peopleâ€?.  

Are non-Brits not normal?  What about the 33% of London residents who were not born in the UK?  Are they â€œnot normalâ€??  What about the hundreds of thousands of UK citizens who travel to the Continent every year?  Are they â€œnot normalâ€??  Finally, what about the HGV and long-distance coach drivers who are compelled to use kilometres and kilometres per hour for their record-keeping and have their speedometers with km/h as the dominant unit. Are they â€œnot normalâ€??  - they are almost certainly fed-up with having to convert between the two all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tabitha wrote â€œYou are all forgetting that most normal people understand miles per hour onlyâ€?.  I am perplexed by the statement â€œmost normal peopleâ€?.  </p>
<p>Are non-Brits not normal?  What about the 33% of London residents who were not born in the UK?  Are they â€œnot normalâ€??  What about the hundreds of thousands of UK citizens who travel to the Continent every year?  Are they â€œnot normalâ€??  Finally, what about the HGV and long-distance coach drivers who are compelled to use kilometres and kilometres per hour for their record-keeping and have their speedometers with km/h as the dominant unit. Are they â€œnot normalâ€??  &#8211; they are almost certainly fed-up with having to convert between the two all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: philh</title>
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		<dc:creator>philh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Tabitha.
What people may or may not &quot;understand&quot; currently has no bearing on the benefits of change. You admit that we can adapt when we have to.
The article is making an economic case for the change. Accomodating foreign drivers is only part of it.
Until anyone comes up with proper arguments against the change, i.e. the long term disadvantages, if there are any, not just &#039;it&#039;s what we are used to&#039; I and others will continue to press case on merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tabitha.<br />
What people may or may not &#8220;understand&#8221; currently has no bearing on the benefits of change. You admit that we can adapt when we have to.<br />
The article is making an economic case for the change. Accomodating foreign drivers is only part of it.<br />
Until anyone comes up with proper arguments against the change, i.e. the long term disadvantages, if there are any, not just &#8216;it&#8217;s what we are used to&#8217; I and others will continue to press case on merit.</p>
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