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		<title>By: Michael Glass</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-22636</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J. Stanner should fear no more. Just as the world has absorbed so many aspects of British culture, the UK has absorbed culture from overseas. English-speaking people write with a Latin script and use Arabic numbers. The Judaeo-Christian heritage comes from Palestine, tea and coffee are imported from foreign lands and are drunk from china cups. The very English language has absorbed words from all over the world as it spread around the globe.

And UK culture has changed and developed. Some time ago, people stopped burning witches, slavery and the slave trade were abolished, the law was changed so men could no longer beat their wives and the Julian calendar was superseded by the more accurate Gregorian calendar. Other changes have included the adoption of the motor car, the typewriter, the aeroplane, the computer and the internet. 

Now what about this new-fangled metric measure? Actually, some parts of it are older than some Imperial measures. The litre is actually an older measure than the Imperial Gallon! Imperial measures for electricity don&#039;t even exist - all the measures are metric! If UK culture can survive all these changes, adopting metric measures are hardly likely to affect it adversely.

But why change? Because the metric system is better, and even if you don&#039;t like it, it&#039;s taking over everywhere, just like those British impositions, the industrial revolution, parliamentary democracy and time zones based on the Greenwich Meridian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Stanner should fear no more. Just as the world has absorbed so many aspects of British culture, the UK has absorbed culture from overseas. English-speaking people write with a Latin script and use Arabic numbers. The Judaeo-Christian heritage comes from Palestine, tea and coffee are imported from foreign lands and are drunk from china cups. The very English language has absorbed words from all over the world as it spread around the globe.</p>
<p>And UK culture has changed and developed. Some time ago, people stopped burning witches, slavery and the slave trade were abolished, the law was changed so men could no longer beat their wives and the Julian calendar was superseded by the more accurate Gregorian calendar. Other changes have included the adoption of the motor car, the typewriter, the aeroplane, the computer and the internet. </p>
<p>Now what about this new-fangled metric measure? Actually, some parts of it are older than some Imperial measures. The litre is actually an older measure than the Imperial Gallon! Imperial measures for electricity don&#8217;t even exist &#8211; all the measures are metric! If UK culture can survive all these changes, adopting metric measures are hardly likely to affect it adversely.</p>
<p>But why change? Because the metric system is better, and even if you don&#8217;t like it, it&#8217;s taking over everywhere, just like those British impositions, the industrial revolution, parliamentary democracy and time zones based on the Greenwich Meridian.</p>
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		<title>By: Michduncg</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-22634</link>
		<dc:creator>Michduncg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 19:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J Stanner

You claim that the &#039;UK is done for&#039;. No doubt your comments are based on what you read in the depressing British tabloid press who love putting us all on a downer and blaming it on others. 

First of all, if you think that the old Imperial system was exclusively British then dream on. The mile? Roman! Pounds and ounces? French! So not much to be proud of there then. The metric system? Devised by the Royal Society of London, prototype units made in London, and with the names of some of our most illustrious scientists and engineers commemorated in names of units eg Newton, Watt, Joule, Faraday &amp; Kelvin. Furthermore, Margaret Thatcher herself decreed that only metric measurements should be taught in our schools. 

That was in 1974, and thanks to our adoption of the metric system we have been able to take advantage of massive inward investment. Do you think Honda, Toyora, Nissan/Renault and Airbus would have invested in the UK if we had insisted that we keep the old Imperial measurements in commerce? 

Britain is a country we can be proud of. Airbus wings are all designed here. Rolls Royce jets are world leaders. If you don&#039;t feel the same then you can ways emigrate to Australia or New Zealand. But of course the 1st thing you will need to learn is the metric system. Both countries went metric a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Stanner</p>
<p>You claim that the &#8216;UK is done for&#8217;. No doubt your comments are based on what you read in the depressing British tabloid press who love putting us all on a downer and blaming it on others. </p>
<p>First of all, if you think that the old Imperial system was exclusively British then dream on. The mile? Roman! Pounds and ounces? French! So not much to be proud of there then. The metric system? Devised by the Royal Society of London, prototype units made in London, and with the names of some of our most illustrious scientists and engineers commemorated in names of units eg Newton, Watt, Joule, Faraday &amp; Kelvin. Furthermore, Margaret Thatcher herself decreed that only metric measurements should be taught in our schools. </p>
<p>That was in 1974, and thanks to our adoption of the metric system we have been able to take advantage of massive inward investment. Do you think Honda, Toyora, Nissan/Renault and Airbus would have invested in the UK if we had insisted that we keep the old Imperial measurements in commerce? </p>
<p>Britain is a country we can be proud of. Airbus wings are all designed here. Rolls Royce jets are world leaders. If you don&#8217;t feel the same then you can ways emigrate to Australia or New Zealand. But of course the 1st thing you will need to learn is the metric system. Both countries went metric a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: J Stanner</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-22627</link>
		<dc:creator>J Stanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets face it, the UK is done for. We are no longer able to have a heritage, it is being stripped from us. Our long established highly-cultural measurements are being removed for these continental measures to remove the little heritage the UK had left. For example, we wouldnt ask India to stop eating out of their balti dishes, or chutney pots and replace them with bowls would we? No. That would be destroying their culture! Thats exactly whats happening here in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets face it, the UK is done for. We are no longer able to have a heritage, it is being stripped from us. Our long established highly-cultural measurements are being removed for these continental measures to remove the little heritage the UK had left. For example, we wouldnt ask India to stop eating out of their balti dishes, or chutney pots and replace them with bowls would we? No. That would be destroying their culture! Thats exactly whats happening here in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank F.</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-19765</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saw in one of the guides I’ve looked at recently was the height restriction sign showing both Imperial and metric above a 50 YRD notice sign. The foreign driver unfamiliar with Imperial is not likely to understand YRD (yerd???), nor will the UK driver be aware of the fact that the sign is actually posted exactly 50 meters (not 50 yards) from the bridge up the road!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saw in one of the guides I’ve looked at recently was the height restriction sign showing both Imperial and metric above a 50 YRD notice sign. The foreign driver unfamiliar with Imperial is not likely to understand YRD (yerd???), nor will the UK driver be aware of the fact that the sign is actually posted exactly 50 meters (not 50 yards) from the bridge up the road!</p>
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		<title>By: lee kelly</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-16475</link>
		<dc:creator>lee kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have an idea that would save money just put 30 mph signs in built up areas &amp; schools then under the sign put a label saying km/h that would then be 20 mph ? then on non built up areas put 50mph signs up then put a label saying km/h it would be 31mph it would be the logical solution ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have an idea that would save money just put 30 mph signs in built up areas &amp; schools then under the sign put a label saying km/h that would then be 20 mph ? then on non built up areas put 50mph signs up then put a label saying km/h it would be 31mph it would be the logical solution ?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Paice</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-14840</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Paice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not aware of any research evidence to support Dan&#039;s theory.  These generalisations are very debatable.  For example, the health service employs mainly women and is entirely metric for internal purposes.  There appears to be some correlation between social class, educational attainment and willingness to use metric.  It is also confused with political attitudes to the EU and to government regulation generally.  I would guess that any differences between the attitudes of men and women are a reflection of these factors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not aware of any research evidence to support Dan&#8217;s theory.  These generalisations are very debatable.  For example, the health service employs mainly women and is entirely metric for internal purposes.  There appears to be some correlation between social class, educational attainment and willingness to use metric.  It is also confused with political attitudes to the EU and to government regulation generally.  I would guess that any differences between the attitudes of men and women are a reflection of these factors.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-14756</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone ever conducted a poll to see what is the preference for metric or imperial based on gender? I personally believe that most of your anti-metric types are women and that a majority of men will prefer metric.

It seems that the majority of posters to this forum are men and they seem to be mostly if not all pro-metric. The one or two women who post here are all anti-metric.

Industries that employ mostly men are all metric, such as engineering and the sciences, yet those that tend to employ mostly women are lagging, such as the clothing industry.

Most shopping is done by women and as the result the metrication of the market place has not been smooth.

Anyone agree or disagree with this observation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone ever conducted a poll to see what is the preference for metric or imperial based on gender? I personally believe that most of your anti-metric types are women and that a majority of men will prefer metric.</p>
<p>It seems that the majority of posters to this forum are men and they seem to be mostly if not all pro-metric. The one or two women who post here are all anti-metric.</p>
<p>Industries that employ mostly men are all metric, such as engineering and the sciences, yet those that tend to employ mostly women are lagging, such as the clothing industry.</p>
<p>Most shopping is done by women and as the result the metrication of the market place has not been smooth.</p>
<p>Anyone agree or disagree with this observation?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-14463</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When those two masters of spin, the AA and the DfT, report on the same topic then expect fireworks. This recent article in â€œNew Civil Engineerâ€? did not disappoint.

â€œRoad condition surveys paint contrasting pictures

Britainâ€™s roads are either improving fast or getting ever worse according to two new, contrasting reports on the state of the network.

A survey of 17 500 AA members says road surfaces are in a worse state than they were 10 years ago, while new statistics from the Department for Transport (DfT) show that the condition of local roads is improving.

In the AA/Populus Panel survey published last week (early June 2008), 40% of respondents said the condition of the road network was much worse than 10 years ago, while only 2% thought road conditions had improved. â€¦

The DfT report on local roads says that condition of the network has improved every year since 2000 when funding started to improve again.

Principal roads have improved from a defects index of 121.2 in 2000 to 71.3 in built up areas and 91.5 to 70.9 in non built up areas. â€¦â€?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When those two masters of spin, the AA and the DfT, report on the same topic then expect fireworks. This recent article in â€œNew Civil Engineerâ€? did not disappoint.</p>
<p>â€œRoad condition surveys paint contrasting pictures</p>
<p>Britainâ€™s roads are either improving fast or getting ever worse according to two new, contrasting reports on the state of the network.</p>
<p>A survey of 17 500 AA members says road surfaces are in a worse state than they were 10 years ago, while new statistics from the Department for Transport (DfT) show that the condition of local roads is improving.</p>
<p>In the AA/Populus Panel survey published last week (early June 2008), 40% of respondents said the condition of the road network was much worse than 10 years ago, while only 2% thought road conditions had improved. â€¦</p>
<p>The DfT report on local roads says that condition of the network has improved every year since 2000 when funding started to improve again.</p>
<p>Principal roads have improved from a defects index of 121.2 in 2000 to 71.3 in built up areas and 91.5 to 70.9 in non built up areas. â€¦â€?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-14416</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The spokesman for Active Resistance to Metrication, Mr Bennett, has often said that opposition to metric road signs is 70% to 90%, repeating this on 30 July. So the AA Populus poll at 76% is, as the UKMA press release says, no surprise.

When UKMA published its report â€œMetric signs aheadâ€? in 2006, a similar poll of 500 civil engineers (who design and construct the roads in metric then sign them in imperial) had 42% in favour of metric signs and 56% against. That, for me, was a surprise.

The AA Populus poll says that 8% are in favour â€“ about 3 million people if the poll is representative of the adult population. This is also a surprise when you realise that:

* The Department for Transport has opposed the project since 1970, and in 2006 published a grossly inflated estimate of the cost.
* Successive governments since 1970 have never given public support.
* For many years, the tabloids had campaigned vigorously against all things European, including metric road signs.

Only on TV has there been any semblance of a balanced debate.

Still, it is reassuring to know that there are probably more than three million independent thinkers out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spokesman for Active Resistance to Metrication, Mr Bennett, has often said that opposition to metric road signs is 70% to 90%, repeating this on 30 July. So the AA Populus poll at 76% is, as the UKMA press release says, no surprise.</p>
<p>When UKMA published its report â€œMetric signs aheadâ€? in 2006, a similar poll of 500 civil engineers (who design and construct the roads in metric then sign them in imperial) had 42% in favour of metric signs and 56% against. That, for me, was a surprise.</p>
<p>The AA Populus poll says that 8% are in favour â€“ about 3 million people if the poll is representative of the adult population. This is also a surprise when you realise that:</p>
<p>* The Department for Transport has opposed the project since 1970, and in 2006 published a grossly inflated estimate of the cost.<br />
* Successive governments since 1970 have never given public support.<br />
* For many years, the tabloids had campaigned vigorously against all things European, including metric road signs.</p>
<p>Only on TV has there been any semblance of a balanced debate.</p>
<p>Still, it is reassuring to know that there are probably more than three million independent thinkers out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dimmick</title>
		<link>http://metricviews.org.uk/2008/08/metric-campaigners-unimpressed/comment-page-1/#comment-14404</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dimmick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miles per gallon (or otherwise distance over fuel volume) only makes sense if you&#039;re trying to compute the range that your vehicle can travel by buying a certain amount of fuel, or its range.

However, this isn&#039;t actually very useful information for most drivers. They know how far they want to travel and want to calculate how much fuel they&#039;ll need and how much that will cost.

The 1/x relationship (graph at http://www.mathsnet.net/graphs/curb2.html for those who&#039;ve forgotten what it looks like) means that an increase of 10mpg may halve the amount of fuel used, or may only reduce it by less than 20% - it depends whether you&#039;re currently getting 10mpg or 50mpg. Measuring as fuel volume divided by distance means you can directly calculate how much money you&#039;re saving. Also, CO2 emissions correlate very closely to the amount of fuel burnt, something completely unintelligible to those who insist on using mpg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miles per gallon (or otherwise distance over fuel volume) only makes sense if you&#8217;re trying to compute the range that your vehicle can travel by buying a certain amount of fuel, or its range.</p>
<p>However, this isn&#8217;t actually very useful information for most drivers. They know how far they want to travel and want to calculate how much fuel they&#8217;ll need and how much that will cost.</p>
<p>The 1/x relationship (graph at <a href="http://www.mathsnet.net/graphs/curb2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mathsnet.net/graphs/curb2.html</a> for those who&#8217;ve forgotten what it looks like) means that an increase of 10mpg may halve the amount of fuel used, or may only reduce it by less than 20% &#8211; it depends whether you&#8217;re currently getting 10mpg or 50mpg. Measuring as fuel volume divided by distance means you can directly calculate how much money you&#8217;re saving. Also, CO2 emissions correlate very closely to the amount of fuel burnt, something completely unintelligible to those who insist on using mpg.</p>
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