Driver location signs – possibly coming to a motorway near you

Martin Vlietstra, a regular contributor to Metric Views, draws our attention to a trial of driver location signs, to be conducted by the Highways Agency. Martin notes that these signs are metric, and draws attention to the explanation for this. 

The Highways Agency (HA) has received funding to conduct trials that involve the erection 3000 driver location signs (DLS) on Britainâ??s motorways and trunk roads – see http://www.highways.gov.uk/business/14730.aspx.  DLS are blue signs with the following items of information in orange:

*Road Name (eg â??M25â??)

*Carriageway (Usually â??Aâ?? or â??Bâ??)

*Location

The location is the nominal distance of the sign in kilometres from the reference point of the road concerned.  In the case of the M25, the reference point is the north bank of the Essex/Kent section of the Thames. 

The purpose of the trials is to see whether or not such signs can assist the emergency services in responding more quickly to incidents upon receipt of a call from a mobile phone. A further document http://www.highways.gov.uk/business/16043.aspx  discusses DLS from the point of view of responses to incidents.

An update of the specification of Driver Location Signs can be found on the HA website:  http://www.highways.gov.uk/business/16039.aspx.  This update also includes a link to FAQ, question 14 of which deals with the reason why the signs are in kilometres.

DLS are a welcome addition to our roads, but for them to be really effective, drivers need to understand why they are there.  This can be done in a number of simple ways:

*Proper publicity by the HA

*Numbering of Service Areas by reference to the nearest DLS

*Numbering of trunk road exits (and possible motorway exits at a later date) by reference to the nearest DLS. This is the practice in Spain, South Africa and the US.

In Italy, DLS are frequently used to advertise locations of out-of-town establishments, for example, a restaurant that I used when I was working in Italy was advertised as being â??on the Via Salaria at km 19.7â??

 

7 Responses to “Driver location signs – possibly coming to a motorway near you”

  1. Alex Bailey says:

    While the DLS is a great idea, more credit should be given to the “marker posts” that already exist along all of our motorways and are becoming more common on trunk roads. These marker posts show the same distance information in increments of 100 metres and as anybody who has broken down on a motorway will know, also point to the nearest emergency telephone.

    These marker posts have been there since the very early days of the motorway and although many have (and still are) sucked in by the myth that these posts are 100 yards apart, this is untrue. The very first marker posts installed were “half a furlong” apart which is 110 yards – perhaps coincidence, perhaps design, but that is 100.58 metres!

    As well as the obvious safety function, these marker posts also work well as a tool to judge distance between vehicles at speed and if you know the distance to your destination in km are fantastic for travelling with kids (from simple countdown to your destination for younger kids to maths for the older ones – working out distances or speeds). They would, of course, be an additional aid in route planning if our other signs and road atlases were also metric!

    It’s also ironic that, if you see temporary signs on motorways such as “x yards” before roadworks that the signs are generally placed right next to these marker posts meaning yards=metres. Perhaps this is where the myth above comes from… more importantly though it blows out the theory that British drivers wouldn’t be able to cope with metres!

  2. Ezra Steinberg says:

    Alex makes a shockingly pertinent point. If distances to road work are posted in yards with the expectation that British motorists will understand them safely, then there is no reason not to post them in meters and simply tell the public that for all practical purposes they can be thought of as “yards”!

  3. Daniel Jackson says:

    I wonder how feasible it would be for distance signs to show metres at exact metre distances but without any unit labels. For example a sign could read: “Curve ahead 200″. The 200 would imply metres, but imperialists could think it is yards.

    This way those who try to damage metric signs by changing the units wouldn’t be able to and should the day come when all signs are metricated, then the cost is reduced because nothing will have to be done to these signs.

  4. David says:

    I think it would be a great idea to use distance location signs as the basis for junction numbers: it would save a lot of expense (renumbering the existing junctions or having strange junction numbers) and confusion every time a new intermediate junction is built. It would also mean that you could easily work out how far it is to the junction you need to exit at, from your current position: eg, junction 150, 150 km if following the road from the start or 100 km if you join the road at junction 50.

  5. Dave Brown says:

    I find it odd that the M25 markers have been set at x.3 and x.8 km from the origin. Why on earth didn’t they use x.0 and x.5? However I was pleased to see on the M11 this morning just south of junction 8 (Stansted Airport) they are erecting new distance markers: M11 B 42.5; M11 B 42.0 etc. That makes a lot more sense to me.

  6. John Frewen-Lord says:

    Road exit numbers on North American major highways are almost universally given in miles (USA) or km (Canada) from the distance reference point (usually the start of the highway – in the case of Highway 401 in Ontario it is in Windsor on the US border, and stretches to the Quebec border, some 800 km (very approximately) away. Thus exit 427 is 427 km from the reference point. This has some useful features, two being that new intermediate junctions can be easily added (as David says), also that it is easy to work out how far you have to go to your chosen exit. Another example of not only other countries doing things better than the UK, but the UK stubbornly refusing to learn from them! Ostriches anyone?

  7. acer says:

    Road exit numbers on North American major highways are almost universally given in miles (USA) or km (Canada) from the distance reference point (usually the start of the highway – in the case of Highway 401 in Ontario it is in Windsor on the US border, and stretches to the Quebec border, some 800 km (very approximately) away. Thus exit 427 is 427 km from the reference point. This has some useful features, two being that new intermediate junctions can be easily added (as David says), also that it is easy to work out how far you have to go to your chosen exit. Another example of not only other countries doing things better than the UK, but the UK stubbornly refusing to learn from them! Ostriches anyone?

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